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Atlas of the Soviet Union (1928) is not anonymous or corporative work. It is en:joint authorship, list of authors can be found here(in HTML-format) or among files under this discussion (File:Атлас Союза Советских Социалистических Республик 1928 - II. От Редакционной Комиссии.jpg). For example, leader of authors was en:Avel Enukidze/ru:Енукидзе, Авель Сафронович, who was rehabilitated posthumously only in 1960 (so his works will be copyrighted until Jan.1, 2030), one of essays authors was ru:Букшпан, Яков Маркович who was rehabilitated posthumously only in 1956 (so his works will be copyrighted until Jan.1, 2026).

In other words, Atlas on the whole is not PD, only some of its pages can be PD. (A) Specific page is trivial enough or (B) circle of authors of specific page is more narrow than circle of all authors of Atlas and their works are in PD. Alex Spade (talk) 18:43, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

These seem to be valid points, and I wish I'd known about them when I started scanning and uploading pages from this atlas. I did consult several venues, including, I believe, somewhere on Commons (though I haven't been able to locate any of the discussions I vaguely remember), about the licensing of this source, and was told each time something along the lines of "if it was published in 1928 then it's surely public domain" to the point that I was referred specifically to Template:PD-Russia-2008 and advised to use that.

So there are a few clarificatory questions I'd like to ask at this stage:

How does posthumous rehabilitation affect copyright? (I.e., what are the laws, and how are they applicable?) Nothing about this seems to be addressed in the plaintext overview in the above-mentioned template.
How might it be possible to determine which authors were involved in the work of a given map? My guess is that it's pretty much impossible, so we'll have to assume all authors had some contribution to each one? I suppose a lot of the text may face a similar difficulty... —Firespeaker (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See 1st note for template: If the author of this work was subjected to repression and rehabilitated posthumously, countdown of copyright protection began not from the death date, but from the rehabilitation date.
Yes, we have to assume all authors had some contribution to each one. Article 1258 of the Civil Code - "Citizens who have created a work by their joint creative work shall be deemed co-authors irrespective of this work's being an integral entity or being composed of parts each having an independent significance." We can only separate (A) works attributed separately - for example - File:Атлас Союза Советских Социалистических Республик 1928 - I. Предисловие.jpg attributed by en:Avel Enukidze only; (B) works created by lesser circle of authors - File:Атлас Союза Советских Социалистических Республик 1928 - II. От Редакционной Комиссии.jpg formally created by editorial committee (described in 1st paragraph), essays created by essays co-authors (one from bottom paragraphs), maps created by maps co-authors (6-7th paragraphs). Contribution of ru:Семёнов-Тян-Шанский, Вениамин Петрович and ru:Шокальский, Юлий Михайлович (5th paragraphs) is non-copyrightable - they were mentioned for their major review contribution, but they are not co-authors. Alex Spade (talk) 08:20, 13 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep Срок охраны исключительных прав на атлас истёк 1 января 1999 года. Согласно ст. 10 Федерального закона от 18.12.2006 № 231-ФЗ "О введении в действие части четвёртой Гражданского кодекса Российской Федерации", исключительное право на результаты интеллектуальной деятельности в области геодезии и картографии, которые получены ранее за счёт средств республиканского бюджета РСФСР и составлявшей союзный бюджет части государственного бюджета СССР и находятся на территории Российской Федерации, в том числе на материалы государственного картографо-геодезического фонда Российской Федерации, признаётся за Российской Федерацией. Согласно ст. 6 того же Федерального закона, авторское право юридических лиц, возникшее до 3 августа 1993 года, прекращается по истечении 70 лет со дня правомерного обнародования произведения. Поскольку атлас был опубликован в 1928 году, несложно посчитать, когда закончилось авторское право. - Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) 04:12, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Это типовое заблуждение, не раз уже разбиравшееся - статья 6 касается первоначальных АП юридических лиц (а не переданных им по трудовому или авторскому договору), т.е. тех случаев, когда юридические лица признавались певроначальными авторами в соот. с статьями 484, 485 и 486 ГК РСФСР. См. например Э.Гаврилов и др. Комментарий к Гражданскому кодексу Российской Федерации (постатейный). Часть 4 (отсылающий к более подробному разбору в Э.Гаврилов. Комментарий к закону об авторском праве и смежных правах). Alex Spade (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

((English, short version)) Article 6 of Law No. 231-FZ is about initial copyright of body corporate (authorship of body corporate, body corporate as author), it is not about rights of body corporate as copyrightholder. It is about initial copyright of body corporate defined in articles 484, 485 and 486 of the Civil Code of the RSFSR. Alex Spade (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Дополнительная консультация. До вступления в силу части четвёртой Гражданского кодекса РФ сроки действия авторского права определялись ст. 137 Основ гражданского законодательства Союза ССР и республик (утв. ВС СССР 31.05.1991 № 2211-1). Они составляли 50 лет после смерти автора, считая с 1 января следующего года. При этом не делалось никаких исключений для репрессированных или ветеранов Великой Отечественной войны. Согласно ст. 6 Федерального закона от 18.12.2006 № 231-ФЗ "О введении в действие части четвёртой Гражданского кодекса Российской Федерации", если 50-летний срок охраны исключительного права истёк к 1 января 1993 года (то есть если автор умер не позднее 31 декабря 1942 года), защита прав не осуществляется. - Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) 04:12, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

До ГК РФ, вообще-то, действовал ЗоАПиСП 1993 года. Впрочем не суть, обратная сила положения о участниках/работниках ВОв и репрессированных подтверждена судебной практикой и решениями ВС и ВАС России (например, в части участников/работников ВОв наиболее известно дело Беляева).Alex Spade (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

((English, short version)) Retroactivity of clauses about GPW and rehabilitated authors is confirmed by court practice, including the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court of Arbitration. Alex Spade (talk) 16:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleted: per nomination and additional clarifications made by Alex. --Sealle (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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