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File:Salt water fish with Finnish text.jpg[edit]
Just to bring it up, but where is the proof that the author, whoever it is, died more than 70 years ago? FunkMonk (talk) 09:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- {{PD-Finland}} is used here, following the digitizers' assertion that, as a collective work with no individual author credits, it's effectively anonymous --moogsi (blah) 12:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- What kind of logic is "just to bring it up"? Isn't that the logic of a troll? Has there been any indiciation of a named author here? --LA2 (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Are we sure there are no author credits elsewhere in the book, or outside the scanned area? And what exactly is "the logic of a troll", LA2? Please enlighten us. FunkMonk (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Also, it looks like this image (and the others in the book) has the same problem as the Meyer's lexikon, it is not PD in the US (published after 1923): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abies_alba_Meyers.jpg FunkMonk (talk) 00:22, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Are we sure there are no author credits elsewhere in the book, or outside the scanned area? And what exactly is "the logic of a troll", LA2? Please enlighten us. FunkMonk (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- What kind of logic is "just to bring it up"? Isn't that the logic of a troll? Has there been any indiciation of a named author here? --LA2 (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Once more your logic is flawed. Plenty of works published after 1923 are in the PD, for example because they are U.S. government publications, because they were never eligible for copyright, or because their U.S. copyright registration wasn't renewed. The rule you are thinking of says that works published in the U.S. (which this is not) before 1923 are automatically in the public domain. But this is a Finnish publication without a named author, which is older than 70 years, and therefore it is in the public domain. It's very simple. --LA2 (talk) 03:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Meyer's lexicon is not a "US publication". There is clearly a problem because of that, just take a look at the disclaimer there. Copyrighted in the U.S. This work is not in the public domain in the United States because its copyright in the U.S. was restored by the URAA as it was still copyrighted in its source country on the URAA date (January 1 1996 in most cases but see Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights for details). In most cases, it is copyrighted in the U.S. until 95 years after the year in which it was initially published (exceptions are works published after 1977; see Commons:Hirtle chart). Images whose copyright was restored in the U.S. by the URAA are no longer accepted at Wikimedia Commons. FunkMonk (talk) 03:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- How do you know this was not « Registered or First Published in the U.S. » or « still copyrighted in its source country on the URAA date» ? Plus, encyclopedia often doesn't have a author, it's « collective works » (but I don’t know how it works exactly in Finland and in US, the US Copyright Office doesn’t say much about it). I maybe wrong but (at least) the first book seems to be PD-Finland since 1995 (= 1925 + 70).
- Finaly, please read Commons:Hirtle chart correctly, a lot of works published after 1923 are DD-US. There is no results about copyright renewals on the Stanford's Copyright Renewal Database.
- Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- Meyer's lexicon is not a "US publication". There is clearly a problem because of that, just take a look at the disclaimer there. Copyrighted in the U.S. This work is not in the public domain in the United States because its copyright in the U.S. was restored by the URAA as it was still copyrighted in its source country on the URAA date (January 1 1996 in most cases but see Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights for details). In most cases, it is copyrighted in the U.S. until 95 years after the year in which it was initially published (exceptions are works published after 1977; see Commons:Hirtle chart). Images whose copyright was restored in the U.S. by the URAA are no longer accepted at Wikimedia Commons. FunkMonk (talk) 03:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
- Once more your logic is flawed. Plenty of works published after 1923 are in the PD, for example because they are U.S. government publications, because they were never eligible for copyright, or because their U.S. copyright registration wasn't renewed. The rule you are thinking of says that works published in the U.S. (which this is not) before 1923 are automatically in the public domain. But this is a Finnish publication without a named author, which is older than 70 years, and therefore it is in the public domain. It's very simple. --LA2 (talk) 03:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
All of these "how do you know" questions are silly and must end. There is no logical reason why a Finnish encyclopedia should first have been published in the U.S., when it is well documented and publicly known that it was published in Finland. If you have any reason to suspect that there is a copyright claim, it's your task and burden to find that copyright registration record or name that author. The consensus is that this illustration is an anonymous work. --LA2 (talk) 19:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- I said « Registered or First Published in the U.S. », because for the US law it the same thing. Since there is no logical reason for first publishing in US (but is the world logical ?), there is some chance it could have been registred. So Funkmonk argument « Meyer's lexicon is not a "US publication" » is pointless until he proove it ; and until then there seems to be no reason to delete. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Kept: Annon-ED should apply FASTILY 09:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
